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Ian Anderson
yes, its goes against the grain...but I would be happy to show any plywood afficienados the DIY way. That plypo has been gathering dust for about 3 years now but it has been surfed, as you know Bob, I was distracted. BTW 'torturing' makes me sound like the Marquis de Sade of plywood bellyboards. I will email you later re some structural ?'s
Doc Robertson
Looks good.How is it in the water?
Ian Anderson
this is a smaller pocket paipo made in 2019 in a collaboration with Paul Joske, its made with 3mm coachwood ply x2 and coated with West epoxy. I just gave him general instructions and helped with the vacuum process and drank all his coffee. The pic dont do the board enough justice, a mini wall hanger.
Stu Marshall
Hi Ian that looks great, did you cut a curved v in the nose then stitch and glue?
Cheers Stu.
Ian Anderson
I cut a vee section out of the nose then stitch with 3 or 4 cable ties, this is the 'torture' process that shapes the board. The joint is then tacked with epoxy glue.
Stu Marshall
Ian Anderson That’s great I thought that was how you had done it, in the past they used fishingline or wire then just glasses over.
This is the ultimate source I presume you know of it
Somewhere in there is the same board as yours I think it’s Australian but less informed and more primitive.
http://mypaipoboards.org/
It’s an amazing site.
It takes loads of time to go through so much information.
Ian Anderson
I think the board you are talking about is on Bob Green's website but it may be on the paipo website. That board was made by the Vidler Bros in WA? What got my cogs whirring was an image of a 'pram' dinghy where the method had been used and that prompted me to backtrack looking for the Vidler board. The law of associative memory. Then it was R&D in the shed. Its the tension/compression dynamics that shapes the board and keeps all the lines accurate.
3 December 2023
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Sean Ross knows where and when to stick an edge, if you grew up surfing single fins in the 70's it will help. A lot of folk who were raised on multi finned boards haven't learnt how to stick a full rail edge turn off the bottom, ie they rely on the lateral fins instead. There is no right or wrong here, just a myriad of approaches. The wave is the thing
BTW waterskiing on a single can also teach you much about holding an edge and ice skating takes it to another level.John Morris
I sometimes side slip in hollow hectic conditions even with good size multi fins. I think it would require a pretty big single fin to provide equivalent hold. I grew up on single fins so know the feeling.
Ian Anderson
the 'knowing' how to do a solid rail turn also sets you up for understanding how you ride a finless BB. The pic that Bob posted of Sean Ross shows the board being effectively turned into a giant keel fin, he has stuck that edge into the wave at the critical moment and if you miss time that you end up sliding out onto the flats and vulnerable to what comes next. Its also paradoxical that the greater the velocity the less fin size required, the simplest evidence is the relative wingspans of WW1 biplanes and modern jet fighters.
6 December 2023
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Holy sh8t...
David Guy
A little shorter at 3’ 9”. Fastest board (of any length) that I’ve ridden in 60 years.
yep! that's a serious concave too! my only criticism from my experience of riding deep concaves is they are not great paddlers but when you take off on a wave they feel like they 'release' very early. UFO's. Would love to see some more pics of your BB sometime.
David Guy
Yep. Given the length and thickness, it can be difficult to get going, particularly on fuller waves. Steep, sucky waves and late takeoffs are the go with this board, but you can takeoff way inside and it goes like a rocket.
Ian Anderson
OK, i know this label, Bob Green knows the guy well, I was going to get a shape from Einstein several years back but got distracted by another toy.. a regret.
David Guy
Yeah, I got to know Bob through John. This board was a bit of a combined effort of John and I and sadly was the last one.
David Guy
Several years ago Bob wrote an article for the Pacific Longboarder and included photos of two of John’s boards. They were mine and my wife’s previous boards. My wife did the artwork for her board.
Ian Anderson
ah, the ubiquitous Dr Bob! Guessing your BB is a keeper then. Are you around Bawley?, I spent 4 months there in 97 mainly surfing what I knew as Racecourse just south. Mechanical little rights back into the corner and then the rip which dropped you off out the back. Brush Island nearby. Jigged a lot of squid. But the water was too cold for me, grew up on the far north coast
David Guy
Ian Anderson I spend a lot of time around Bawley area and surfed just about every break in the area. The break you mentioned is Racecourse Beach, but known as Sandmines. I must admit that my favourite breach is Tea Trees at Noosa.
Kneeon Kneeboards
Show us some more pictures mate
Ian Anderson
i have more but i can put you onto the shaper via PM. He is retired now but always happy to knowledge and insights
Bob Green
The article can be found here: http://mypaipoboards.org/mags/magazines.shtml Scroll down to - Pacific Longboarder Magazine . Tom Wegener had an article in the same issue.
Paipos in the Media: Magazine Articles and Advertisements
John Kovar interview: https://mypaipoboards.org/.../JohnKovar_2010-1211.shtml
John Morris
good read. Wondering if anyone else has noticed damage to the ribs from taking big drops prone? I've got ~3/8" deck padding on my current boards. I do air drop occasionally but never felt the impact.
Rod Rodgers
yup, sure have. I have deck padding on one board -- to much weight for me and I have since gone to GryptaLite for the boards I regularly ride. For the spot I surf in Costa Rica, I bought lacross rib protectors that I wear whenever it gets 6 ft or more, after making a nasty landing on my board. Bruise or crack, not sure which, but I didn't surf my last 3 days after that and certain things were difficult to do. Luckily I didn't miss much as it was the last three days. The rib protectors did the job
John Morris
Rod, interesting. I also have 4 or 5 mil neoprene on my chest.
Bob Green
Not so much my front ribs, but a tube collapsed on me in Indonesia and this injured my ribs/back, as I was face planted on my board, which also pushed my body flat to the board (my elbow was previously supporting my body).
John Morris
You two are charging. This sounds even more hazardous on boards the length I'm riding. I have had a lip thump me in the lower back after I straightened out before. It hurt, so I don't straighten out these days. These curvy, short, deep concave boards look interesting.
Bob Green
or wrong place, wrong time
Ian Anderson
the beauty of neutral bouyancy boards is that you can avoid this issue most of the time by punching below the surface. GG employed this method, i think you see it a bit in Crystal Voyager. A board that has positive bouyancy offers too much resistance, its always a plus or minus game. Those curvy deep concaves are designed for charging.
Rod Rodgers
neutral buoyancy would end up being a pile driver into the lava reef which is a very scary thought. The place I go to isn't one that I think about duck diving very often... other techniques are employed when paddling out. A better option would be riding a surf mat, but just don't lose it when the strong offshore are blowing. It would be a long swim in!
Ian Anderson
then i guess its about technique, timing and knowing the place your surfing. body surfers and shortboard standup surfers use the same trick, the aim is not to punch to deeply and get under the waves energy and out the back, i learnt it during a misspent childhood bodysurfing and adapted this to boards. If its bigger than 6' to 8' then its a different game altogether.
Bob Green
Some footage of John: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hX2-XvQB7s
David Guy
Hi Bob, I hope you are well. I’m in that video, for about half a second. I’m now recovered from my shoulder reconstruction, but now need a knee replacement in the new year. Hopefully will be good to go by the time I get to Noosa in July.
Bob Green
Gday David. I saw your post when I was about ask how your shoulder was going. I do a regular program to keep me in the water, seems to work ok. I haven't been to Noosa since I saw you. You'll be a bionic man soon. Somewhere there was a wave you caught. It was a pretty small wave from memory. If I get a chance I'll see if I can find it.
David Guy
I’m hoping the knee replacement will work because I’m in constant pain at present. Don’t worry about looking through the video, from memory I only caught a couple of rubbish waves that were filmed. I actually remember catching one quite good wave, taking off just as Dianne stopped filming.
Bob Green
I'm sorry to hear your knee is causing you so much pain, knee surgery is done all the time so hopefully it fixes things for you. That's usually the way with filming.
David Guy
I have a couple of friends who have had very successful knee replacements, so hoping for the best.
Ian Anderson
another hard downrailer quad version for multi fin fans
Here's one for the scientist types (keep reading): https://forum.swaylocks.com/t/surfboard ... y/36559/65
Ian Anderson
Bob Green my brain hurts!
Bob Green
77 pages. I heard from John, I'll e-mail you later, your brain will hurt even more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yryf2VDB_Mg - some more from John Kovar
23 December 2023
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anyone else done any BB stickmen artwork? love to see it.
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Great looking wave and positioning! Board looks very interesting too!
