Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market ?

[ULTIMATS]

Why not draw the line here...
Every prone board is classed as a bodyboard
So UNglassed foam (soft foam-boogie) is a bodyboard but only a bodyboard.
Everything else is a paipo.

because the soft foam boards have a strict design shape that varies little - 60/40 rails , WP up front, flat outline across the nose.
Whereas paipos come in all religions.
So now unless a board is made to emulate the soft foam (boogie) shape, it can be called a paipo.
The paipo definition could be really tight but then few DIY or commercial boards would qualify to be relevant on this forum and thus less activity here...

So embrace the variables I say !!!!

Give us your poor-ly shaped
Give us you weak-ly glassed
give us your plastic, glass, wood and epoxy,
And give them a home right here !!!!!

Come on guys , we've got to work out where to draw the line or we look like old chooks fluffing around at a christening.

[SJB]

For us Yanks.....
What is a "chook"?
And......
What is "fluffing around"
And......
Why would we be doing it at a christening?

[spudnut]

"fluffing around" is the term used to describe how you SJB surf

[bgreen]

On one level, "chook" just refers to a chicken that is eaten, on another level it is slang for something disorganised. I don't think younger people go into a shop and ask for a "chook" much but phrases like a "chook with it's head cut off" remain in the vernacular. For anyone trying to learn English phrases like this must be a nightmare.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chook
http://www.famie.com/australia/australianslang2.htm

A chicken running around at a christening - an evocative scene from SF.


Bob

[SJB]

Ahhhh......so Spudnut is a chook. I get it now. Hey potato head.....FLUFF THIS!

[ULTIMATS]

Old "chook" also applies to an older woman, a younger one being a "chick".
So 2 old chooks fluffing around would mean 2 mature ladies fiddling around with the potato salad, folding napkins and the like at a christening.
"Fluffing", on this occaisson, does NOT refer to the adult movie actor preparation technique common in that sphere of cinematography..... but we digress....

Can we get a concensus on the definition of 'paipo' ??
If we dont embrace modern times we risk losing new members who would keep the art and craft alive.

What say you all ??

[spudnut]

To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:

1) bodyboard - sponge

2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant

3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard

[ULTIMATS]

To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:

1) bodyboard - sponge

2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant

3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard

Ahh, I understand you 3 categories !

And if you exclude glass is resin excluded too?

And how about plastic?

[spudnut]

To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:

1) bodyboard - sponge

2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant

3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard

Ahh, I understand you 3 categories !

And if you exclude glass is resin excluded too?

And how about plastic?

Not quite sure what you are saying?

[ULTIMATS]

To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:

1) bodyboard - sponge

2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant

3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard

Not quite sure what you are saying?

Id like to have the term 'Paipo' cover a greater range of craft so that it covers EVERYthing thats (as you said)...not a sponge or a mini surfboard...
Id like Paipo to refer to all solid skin prone craft, be they wood, resin, glass, plastic or concrete !
So where you say youd call a foam and glass craft a belly board , Id like to call them a paipo as modern materials shouldnt be excluded from forwarding the basic design.
Im sure if the Ancient Hawaiian Kings had UV cure epoxy they'd be making paipos out of it.
Modern materials may not be the traditional materials but in the spirit of the design and for the progression of the sport and build-craft, all materials should be included, imho...
Except sponge. Because thats just wrong!!

[Paipo Jim]

To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:

1) bodyboard - sponge

2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant

3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard

^^^This for sure, and category 3 should cover everything down to but not necessarily including handboards (although a two-handed one would definitely be in paipo territory.)

[spudnut]

To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:

1) bodyboard - sponge

2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant

3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard

Not quite sure what you are saying?

Id like to have the term 'Paipo' cover a greater range of craft so that it covers EVERYthing thats (as you said)...not a sponge or a mini surfboard...
Id like Paipo to refer to all solid skin prone craft, be they wood, resin, glass, plastic or concrete !
So where you say youd call a foam and glass craft a belly board , Id like to call them a paipo as modern materials shouldnt be excluded from forwarding the basic design.
Im sure if the Ancient Hawaiian Kings had UV cure epoxy they'd be making paipos out of it.
Modern materials may not be the traditional materials but in the spirit of the design and for the progression of the sport and build-craft, all materials should be included, imho...
Except sponge. Because thats just wrong!!

Based upon what you are saying, paipo would include sponge! You just have a personal preference to not want to include it

[soulglider]

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[rodndtube]

To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:

1) bodyboard - sponge

2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant

3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard

There are somethings that are simply overcome by events. In the UK they call their wood boards "bellyboards" and used to call them "surfboards." This was true to a certain extent through out the lands of the former British empire.

Bodyboards include all manner of surf riding craft intended to be ridden prone. Popular usage also includes sponge craft ("boogie boards"). Another form of popular usage of such a term is xerox and photocopy (is that scanning?).

Paipo is the Hawaiian term used for describing surf riding craft intended to be ridden prone. Well... as the home page has stated for over a year now the term paipo came into written form in the mid-1950s and evolved during the subsequent ten years (both in spelling and what it describes). One school of thought in Hawaii these days is using the grammatical spelling form of paepo to mean wooden, finless prone riding craft (I am not sure what term is used to describe all the other forms of prone riding craft).

To remain "core" in using the old term for the meaning of finless wood surf riding boards for riding kipapa-style, one would use papa li`ili`i, in the same manner you would say riding an alaia or olo board. Those are boards anchored in time to describe types of board, such as we would bellyboard, shortboard and longboard today. Of course, using some of these terms would exclude an HPD from being called a paipo -- it would be a bellyboard.

[Paipo Jim]

Bodyboards include all manner of surf riding craft intended to be ridden prone.

Bodyboard is a term invented by the marketing droids of the "action sports industry" to describe their knock offs (and improvements) of the Morey boogieboard.

Bodyboard = booger. Period.

[rodndtube]

Bodyboards include all manner of surf riding craft intended to be ridden prone.

Bodyboard is a term invented by the marketing droids of the "action sports industry" to describe their knock offs (and improvements) of the Morey boogieboard.

Bodyboard = booger. Period.

Sorry, but the term bodyboard pre-dates the invention of the boogie board by Tom Morey in 1971. However, you are correct that when somebody generically says "bodyboard" that they are referring to the boogie board style prone riding board.

[Paipo Jim]

Sorry, but the term bodyboard pre-dates the invention of the boogie board by Tom Morey in 1971.

Bullshit. I've been surfing since the 1950's and nobody used the term before the the boogie boom despite what authorities whom you might have talked to might have "recalled." And even if some dork in some obscure brochure or newspaper in some seaside resort in Western Australia actually put the word in print in 1928 you're still wrong.

Bodyboard = booger. Period.

[jbw4600]

I don't think you need to use words like "bullshit" in this forum. This is just a friendly discussion.

[GeoffreyLevens]

I don't think you need to use words like "bullshit" in this forum. This is just a friendly discussion.

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[rodndtube]

Sorry, but the term bodyboard pre-dates the invention of the boogie board by Tom Morey in 1971.

Bullshit. I've been surfing since the 1950's and nobody used the term before the the boogie boom despite what authorities whom you might have talked to might have "recalled." And even if some dork in some obscure brochure or newspaper in some seaside resort in Western Australia actually put the word in print in 1928 you're still wrong.

Bodyboard = booger. Period.

The term "bodyboard" has been around for quite some time.... at least before the invention of the boogie board, in 1971. Subsequent use of the term "bodyboard" was to work around trademark infringements. There are several references to body-board surfing in Hawaii, Tahiti, New Zealand and elsewhere in Oceania. [See: Finney, Ben R. 1959. Hawaiian surfing, a study of cultural change.]